Talk:Shablee

Walkthrough
Before Larry can court Shablee, he must have successfully courted Cavaricchi Vuarnet and Burgundy Bodine, at least to the point where Burgundy has left the stage.

To begin the courtship, Larry has to go to his room and examine the cards. Then he must use the phone and ring 75.

Once this is done, Larry has to leave his room and go to the bar where Burgundy would sing. There, he has to climb up onto the stage and then go south along the stage, so that he can pick up Burgundy's dress.

With the dress in his possession, Larry must return to his room and pick up the condom from his pillow.

Shablee can be found in the make-up area, at a desk at the frontmost right part of the area.

Larry needs to engage Shablee in conversation and talk with her until she requests a dress. When this happens, he just needs to give her Burgundy's dress.

The scene will skip to a romantic date on the beach. Larry needs to talk and feel Shablee repeatedly, and then examine her; when she is ready, she will note that she hopes Larry brought a condom.

Use the condom on Shablee and she will apply it... to herself, revealing she has a phallus. Larry will roll over and start spitting in disgust at having kissed her, with the narrator noting it's no wonder that Shablee "knows what a man likes". Shablee will then advance on the still-kneeling Larry and the screen will go black, shortly before Larry will scream.

The scene will skip to Larry gargling in his room the next morning. Once he is done, and the player has regained control, Larry must head back to the beach where he and Shablee had their date. Retrieve the champagne left there; this is one of the key items needed to woo Shamara.

Baggins (talk) 15:30, June 22, 2017 (UTC)

Modern terminology
An earlier line added this

"Unbeknownst to Larry, Shablee is actually a transwoman, rather than a ciswoman."

Generally speaking these terms are not quite common knowledge and mainly of academic concern, and likely to confuse majority of readers and players. Not to mention sometimes people apply terminology or phrases that may go beyond the original games or authors intent. For simplicity sake this wiki tries to remain within the boundaries of oriignal creators use of language, and definitions given within the games themselves, rather than to apply postmodern terms. This wiki means no insult to anyone who may fall into some modern category and wants to discuss those categories but this wiki is not raelly the place for that, or that kind of speculation into game's characters. In general rule of thumb is to stick to what the games, manuals, hint books, development docs say about characters.

If you want to speculate about a character's gender or sexuality then the talk page is a viable option, but please try to avoid arguements., or anything that might be offensiveBaggins (talk) 18:04, September 10, 2017 (UTC)

Controversy
There has been controversy surrounding this character in the past based on different players interpretation of her gender and/or sexuality, as well as the scene of rape, and different opinions on who was the victim in the scene, and if Larry diserved it or not..

Below are some links and notes concerning this (as mentioned above please avoid going to deep into this discussion on the main topic, and stick to the original intent)...

So anyone who has interpretered the character as a 'strong-willed transgender, 'transwoman' (and that Larry gets his due for being 'transphobic'), has been wrong. It is a stereotype and satire of the transvestite character from The Crying Game. Shablee is as actually a gay rapist (it is not known if he is a bisexual). Larry is the victim in this scene, not Shablee.

Nor should Larry be considered transphobic or homophobic for not wanting to sleep with transgendered or gay person (despite the viewpoint of some radical extremist feminists and LGBTQ activists http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/columns/savage-love/article/13041679/savage-love-does-not-wanting-to-screw-trans-women-make I’m 26, straight, and male. I consider myself a socially progressive person, have been a vocal supporter of LGBT issues since high school, and was president of my college Gay-Straight Alliance. Here’s my issue: I fully support the trans community. I have numerous friends in varying states of transition and I’m 100 percent behind them. But in my own dating life, I wouldn’t feel comfortable dating/having sex with a woman who had at one point in her life been a man. I realize I wouldn’t be fucking a dude, but it’s a mental hurdle I can’t clear. All my LGBTQA friends—be they trans, gay, bi—call me a transphobe, because if I were truly on their side, if I truly “understood,” then sex with a MTF straight woman would be no different than sex with a cisgender straight woman. Do I have the right to not feel comfortable with the idea (or reality) of having sex with these women and still consider myself a supporter of the trans community? Are my friends being unreasonable by judging me against their schema of appropriate sexuality? Or am I a hypocrite? —Fears Real Activism Undermined [by] Dick “He’s not transphobic—not in my book,” says Kate Bornstein, author, performer, “advocate for teens, freaks, and other outlaws,” and herself a trans woman. “One more thing he’s not is straight. Sex-positive, supportive of trans folk, and heterosexual? Cool! He’s a queer heterosexual—and some of my best friends are queer heterosexuals.” As for your specific issue—you’re not attracted to trans women—Bornstein says that by itself isn’t evidence of transphobia. “A queer heterosexual is just as entitled to the fulfillment of their sex and gender desires as anyone else,” says Bornstein. “Sometimes those desires depend on the nature of their lover’s body. Well, trans people have bodies that are different than cis people’s bodies. We’re two (or more) mints in one—a physical blend that attracts a lot of people. FRAUD just doesn’t happen to be one of them. The fact that he’s sensitive to that blending of genders in our bodies does not make him transphobic.” What can you do about it? “Go have good sex with cis women,” says Bornstein. (Don’t know what “cis” means in this context? See: tinyurl.com/cisdefine.) Whatever else you do, FRAUD, Bornstein wants you to stop identifying as straight. “He’s part of our queer tribe,” she says. “And who knows? One day, he might meet the right trans person.” And who knows? One day, your cranky LGBTQA friends might accept who you are just as you’ve accepted them. Make an effort to use “attracted to cis women” in place of “wouldn’t feel comfortable dating” trans women, and you’ll hasten that day’s arrival. Kate Bornstein’s new memoir, A Queer and Pleasant Danger (Beacon Press), will be published in the spring. Follow her on Twitter @katebornstein. (Follow me @fakedansavage.) —Dan      ) Sexuality is a very personal thing, and no one should be 'forced' into committing to do anything that feels uncomfortable to them, that is emotional blackmail and coercion, it is rape culture. Larry may be a misogynist, there is no indication that he is transphobic or homophobic in the series. He is just not able to 'change' his sexuality (except for one instance played as another joke and game over in LSL6 with Gary Fairy).

Shablee appears to be what some modern LGBTQ might call a 'transvestite fetishist' as a male who gets pleasure off of wearing women's clothing. When you first meet Shablee "she" is wearing more or less unisex workout clothes, and as some of the guides point out more covered up (wearing more clothes) than most of the other 'female' characters (but dreams of having a fancy women's dress), which foreshadows his sexual fetish.

In one episode of Steam Train let's play video was seen as controversial around the time of its release, due to the game's depiction of one of Larry's female love interests as being transvesite, and its use of a stock joke where Larry is shocked and disgusted to find out that the drag queen he is romantically interested in has a penis (though some reviewers, players, and Steam Train episode assumed that 'she' is a 'transgendered' individual).

While Danny's initial gut reaction was to laugh along with the joke, he and Ross spend the rest of the episode contextualizing it: The game came out shortly after the release of The Crying Game, a movie with a similar plot twist, and the game's depictions of LGBT people are fairly archaic and not politically correct at all by today's standards. Danny still assures that they meant no offense to their LGBT viewers.

Baggins (talk) 18:14, September 10, 2017 (UTC)

Transvestic Fetishist?
At what point did Shablee ever express that she got off from her clothes? As an aside, I don't think you can call her a "gay" rapist. She never once refers to herself as a man or claims to be gay.

Kris Moonhand (talk)